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How to Trade the LMT Forex Formula

by Marc on June 7, 2009

Hi, Lots of you made incredible pips last week. Some of you are relatively new to forex and yet are reporting gains of 500/600 pips in a week. Well done. The Lmt formula has been incredibly successful for me for the last 10 days +5000 pips on demo and 1950 on a live micro account.

You will not achieve these results all the time.  These must surely be exceptional. My aim is to make 15/20 pips a day as a minimum. My results this year have been well above this at 50+ per day, but I have been trading for over 5 years. Please do not get carried away.

Stick to the advanced trading rules that I sent you and follow correct money management. I have emailed my followers a cautionary note for how to trade the LMT forex formula this coming week. Things are likely to be a bit tricky for the next few days, make sure you read it !

How to Plan your trades.

I have had lots of questions asking me how do I decide which trades to take and just as important, those to leave alone. As you will have discovered by now, it is not unheard of to get signals on 6 or more pairs all at the same time on the 4 hour charts.

Plan The trade. Trade The Plan

My method for planning my trades is the same on the daily and 4 hours charts. A point to remember; If you are only able to trade the daily charts there is a possiblity of a 4 hour trade even if there isn’t a daily one. Make sure you check the 4 hour charts as well at the close of the daily.

  1. 3o minutes before a candle is due to close go to each chart and look to see which pairs have the possibilty of a trade. Ignore those that won’t qualify due to the rules ie If there haven’t been enough red candles followed by a closing green, then no long trade is possible and vice versa for a short trade.
  2. Have a look at the size of the candles. Is the trend correct etc etc
  3. Lets say we now have 5 possible trades.
  4. Now take the possibles and see which pairs correlate (explained in the advanced rules). For example if there is a possible trade on the NZD/$ and AUD/$, these 2 pairs go in the same direction 80%+ of the time so its almost an identical bet. Similarly the chf and the euro/$ go in the opposite direction 80%+.
    Don’t take them both at the same time. Decide which one has the chance to make the biggest gain; smallish candles preceeding candles, no major psychological level near eg gbp coming up to 2.00 would be less likely to break.
  5. Now we have narrowed it down to 3 possibles from 5.
  6. Wait for the candle to close and the signal to arrive. It is very tempting to get in early before the candle closes and make some extra pips. Don’t do it. I never enter a trade just before the close of a 4 hour candle. Often a candle will race in the opposite direction in the last 5 minutes.
  7. Now we have a signal for 3 pairs. We have already decided which ones we will take (if the signal arrives). Take it. Place your stops and 1st target. Open the other 2 as quickly as possible.
  8. If by the time you have placed the 1st trade the  price has moved more than a few pips on the 2nd and 3rd trades. Leave them alone. What I do is keep watching the 15 minute chart to see if price pulls back to this area. Then get in if it does.  You can also place a forward order to get in at this pre determined price.
  9. Manage the trade by the rules. If the signal says 25 pips profit take 25 from the signal. If you got in 5 pips too late, only take 20.
  10. Take the rest of the day off. If you have made your minimum 20 pips target and stop is to break even on the 2nd. Chill

For those of you in  my LMT support group I have emailed you my analysis for the week ahead. Trade carefully for the next few days whilst some of the pairs decide whether thay are changing direction or just pulling back.

If you would like to know more about the LMT Formula and how to trade it successfully, check out mine and members reviews here;

http://forex-fxtrader.com/blog/?p=389 Those of you who join through links on this site are invited to receive a free copy of my “advanced rules,” trading advice and regular emails and updates. Join Here


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    • Jennifer
      Marc,

      On Q2, does this mean that it is advicable to start a new platform (i.e. forexmeta) just for LMT?
    • Jennifer
      Hey Hey Marc and fellow senior,

      Got LMT, am excited. : ) Can you loop me in the advance LMT techique?

      Question 1:
      Can i run LMT on difference profile setting as according to the difference currencies? I realised when i switch profile to difference currencies, LMT are de-activated. Only those that are on screen are active.

      So it means that, I need to load all the suggested currencies in the same profile? Doesn't that means that I will have lots of screen, 2 TF for each currency, so with 8 currency ---> That is 16 screen all jammed in one profile?

      Is there a better way?

      Question 2:
      I don't understand the timing that is on the screen, what time from is that? It is not GMT=0? I am using IBFX, so I need to add +2hrs to my actual platform trading time?

      Best Regards
      Jennifer
    • Hi jennifer. I know you are excited but just use the lmt on a demo account until you are 100% confident with it. We are currently in the middle of the quieter summer months and you need to follow the advanced rules.

      Just load 1 chart for each of the pairs. the lmt will tell you if there is a daily or 4hour signal. I just stay in the same profile and change the time from 4hr to daily on the bar at the top in metatrader.
      re question 2. ignore the timing on your platform, they all seem to be offset. you just need to know what time the candles close in your time zone. also, we are all running 2 or even 3 different platforms to get more signals. deans recommended broker is forexmeta, just download another metatrader platform from them. marc
    • andre
      i am going long with euro,gbp and aud.TP 1.5000 for euro. and 1.7256 gor GBP.and wait LMT signal.SL 155
    • Gally
      Though, oddly (and I know Marc trades it), EUROGBP isn't an 'official' LMT pair. UNless I'm going crazy...
    • alx
      A bit of explanation: cycle length is number of DAYS from one top to another top (or bottom).
      The cycle is a kind of sinusoid. If you start from bottom, expect prices to go up for a half of the cycle then down. Opposite for top reference.
      You always take the last top/bottom as a starting point as cycles shift over time. Allow one/two days difference. E.g you may find 20 or 22 instead of 21 but that's fine.
      Cycles interfere with each other. That once cycle may boost another one if they work in sync or flat if out of sync.
      Example: today is 56th day since last major bottom on EURUSD - we can expect we are at another bottom preparing to go up.
      Yesterday new 8 day bottom-to-bottom cycle began. This adds to the above.
      In addition there is still 21 cycle in effect, however this time top to top meaning we may expect this short term uptrend to stop in two-three days. Depending on the strength of the shortest cycle, it may flat or regress prices for about 4 days.
      How this adds to the LMT? If you wonder when the system would start/stop giving good signals, try to find out the current cycles.
    • alx
      Hi All,
      I just came across very interesting cycle pattern for the USD crosses.
      The base daily cycles are:
      5, 8, 13, 21, 35, 55, 89
      This proved to be true from 05 Jan 2009.
      If you look when to get in, use Cycle Lines tool and apply one of the values to see where we are.
    • alx
      Hi All,
      I did some backtesting and I found the initial Stop Loss may sometimes be too tight by just couple of pips.
      I would recommend add 10-15% of the Stop Loss as a buffer.
      This will add a little more risk, but allow for more big runs.
      And be sure you INCLUDE your SPREAD in stop calculations. 3 pips may sound nothing vs. 50 but it may kick out good trade with loss instead of profit!
    • fx_red
      hi all,
      I am new at the system and thx all for the info, especially marc for the website and all the info and alx for the program of the observer.

      regards and all a nice weekend
    • GAlly
      Looking good Alx, thanks. First signal came through dead on 4pm
    • alx
      Lost of fake signals yesterday evening and today. Just ignore all of them. I guess nothing really worthy till monday..
    • alx
      .. ok, but this will take a while. Anyone else interested in getting e-mail detailed signal notification from 3 different timezones round the clock? I mean all that bought the LMT of course...
    • Rahm
      Im interested in getting signals from other time zones. we can compare exact entry, candle sizes, etc...
    • alx
      Hi Rahm,

      I can include you in my mailing list. But first you have to prove you own a copy of LMT. It's easy - just download http://novusorsa.pl/lmt/lmt_observer_1.2.1.zip
      You'll find my e-mail address in the readme there. Then make a screenshot of your terminal with the LMT EA visible and send it to me.
    • GAlly
      Ha, that would be a solution, yes!
    • alx
      ... or just set up mailing list and distribute my signals...
    • alx
      GAlly, I get your point. I would be nice to have one log file. Unfortunately it's not that easy with metatrader. In general I intended to create autobreakeven/stop trailing system. But the more I advance I find more problems than solutions.
      Preliminary tests show much worse performance than manual control.
      So now I think to add more functionality to the observer rather than build the whole system. Especially the LMT is not my code while it should be integral part of the system. And since it is an Expert Advisor I'm very limited with various functionality. As a result you would need to open number of charts just to control one pair. Not to mention any future changes to the LMT would make the system behave wrong way.
      For me mailing signals works best. I set up separate e-mail account I get only the messages there. And this is my log :-)
      I also think about setting up web page with screenshots and signals but this is a different story...
    • GAlly
      Wasn't criticising Alx (far from it), referring to the list under experts/files directory AS a log. But the new version is cool too.
    • alx
      GAlly, for your convenience I modified the observer to write the mail message to the signal csv files. If you can't get it by mail, just look into the directory for new files and check messages there.
      http://novusorsa.pl/lmt/lmt_observer_1.2.1.zip
      Unfortunately I cannot create just one log file - due to some limitations of the MT4 time base and functions available I cannot ensure multiple observers writing safely to the same file simultaneously.
    • GAlly
      Thanks Alx, all installed. Will see how it goes overnight. Can't get MT4 to send emails, but that's another matter. Keeping a log would be a start.
    • Leonardo
      Hi Marc, If i get to buy the lmt fx formula through your site, will you guide us every evening in the trades we should or shouldn't take? Will you give some kind of access to your msn or skype ID?
      THnx
    • hi leonardo. i give email support and advice and send updates . there are also lots of answers to questions and help here on the blog. My aim is to help you learn to trade for yourself. That way you can control your own destiny rather than relying on others. I can't give out fone numbers etc as i would not be able to concentrate when I am trading. I make a seriously good living trading forex, but i need to concentrate 100%. I also spend hours a day answering 100's of emails. To your success, marc
    • alx
      New version of the LMT Observer available:
      http://novusorsa.pl/lmt/LMT_Observer_1.2.zip
      Now it creates screenshots of the trade signals found.
      And a bit better installation instructions.
    • alx
      GAlly,
      sorry, I was in a big hurry going for holidays, all I could do was to zip the files and post.
      I updated the zip file, the readme includes setup instructions.
      Just download it again.
    • Neil
      Thanks Marc...

      When I looked at the stops by placing lines on the charts I started to think that might be the case. Thanks for confirming though. That will make money management a bit easier.

      I followed Dean's advice and didn't take any of the Friday trades. I usually don't do anything on Friday afternoons as everything seems to slow down, presumably after the London traders have had a nice pub lunch they don't feel like much work :-)

      One more Metatrader question. How should I set up the profiles if I want to get signals from both the daily and 4hr charts? At present I have set up two profiles, one with the 4hr charts and the other with daily charts. Will I get signals from both profiles or only the active one? Do I therefore need to have daily and 4Hr charts in the same profile? Or is there a better way to set things up?
    • The charts have to be on the same profile that you have running. marc
    • Neil
      I am new to LMT and MetaTrader and have a couple of queries that I hope someone with a bit more experience can answer.

      I installed the LMT software today and got 4 signals generated at 7pm UK time. The stoplosses suggested by LMT are very big and I am wondering whether I might have something wrong in my setup. I recall reading something in one of Marc's blog entries mentioning stops of nearer to 50 pips.

      The signals were:-

      GBPJPY, Buy @161.80, Stop 864, Target 432

      NZDUSD, Buy @0.64093, Stop 432, Target 216

      AUDJPY, Buy @79725, Stop 513, Target 256

      EURJPY, Buy @ 137.65, Stop 600, Target 300


      I do have one other Metatrader specifc question which I can't find an answer to in the Metadata Help file. Once I have clicked on the "Close" button for the Alerts window that pops up I can't find any way to redisplay that window. Does anyone know how to do that? Should the alerts appear in the Alerts tab of the Terminal window (they don't on mine).
    • Neil. 1) you are using a platform with 5 decimal places. The 864 pip stop is actually 86 !. 2) at the moment there is no way of getting the alert to redisplay BUT when it gives a new signal it usually displays the previous days signals. 3) hopefully you did n't take the 7 pm friday trades. Dean tells you NOT TO TAKE TRADES LATE ON A FRIDAY. I have had emails tonight from people saying these trades lost. They were told in the instruction book to avoid them. The system works brilliantly if you follow the rules. marc
    • Neil
      I sent the email below to Marc earlier today and he asked me to post it and his answer to the blog in case it was relevant to anyone else.

      My question......

      Hi Marc...

      I read the manual last night and will read it again this morning. I have just been through the setup after watching the videos and had a couple of queries.

      I already had Metatrader installed so didn't need to go via ForexMeta. Does that put me at a disadvantage when following your signals? I hadn't been using Metatrader so would not mind uninstalling it and reinstalling if it was an advantage for me. The template installed OK and started generating signals when I driopped the timeframe down to 1 min.

      As I am in the UK I currently spread bet though IG Index. Presumably I can carry on doing this and don't need to use ForexMeta for trading. I am assuming that Metatrader doesn't integrate directly with IG Index so I will have to use their platform to enter and manage trades.

      I have to say that I like the idea of trading from a longer timeframe. At present I am scalp trading on 5 min charts.

      Marc's Reply...

      i have downloaded forex meta which is giving the most signals and i also have a micro account with alpari uk (for the million $ challenge). they are free. just have the both running at the same time. the reason i have both is that the time of candle close is different so i get more signals! i dont think you can integrate with ig, you'll have to ask them.

      i use metatrader for the lmt and then put my main trades thro dukascopy and micro thro alpari uk.

      i used to spread bet but found money management difficult to implement. also with alapri i have 100 to 1 leverage so i dont have to have so much in the account to cover trades. but i know about the tax situation.

      the 1st 3 years i traded i did 10/12 hour days on 15 minute charts. i wouldnt dream of scalping. moving to 4 hour and daily is the best move i made. it is a lot less stressful and you have lots of time to plan. just reduce your stake size accordingly (ie still risk the same amount per trade, but reduce the amount per pip to fit the bigger stops)
    • GAlly
      And the 'talk as if to a three year old child' guide to setting it up alx? Actually, I'm four, but slightly backwards.
    • alx
      I have to go out for couple of days. The observer I mentioned above can be downloaded here: http://novusorsa.pl/lmt/LMT_Observer.zip
      It's free for you.
    • alx
      Hi All,
      I'm starting to like daily signals. However I do it a bit differently:
      When signal fires off it's either before or beginning of Asia session. In general it's waste of time and money to take a trade at this time. Even if goes in desired direction, 90% of times it ends in the same place at Europe open. Or even on loss side.
      I set up three terminals on a remote computer and set e-mail notification. In a morning (my local time is GMT+2) I have a collection of overnight signals I can review and decide which to take. Very comfortable :-)
      One thing: the LMT email notification is very limited. You need to check the chart that triggered signal to get the trade. Dean will improve it over time. Meanwhile I created and observer that sends me more detalied information. It looks like this:

      Signal fired on Forex Trading Direct LLC
      Buy AUDUSD 240 @ BrokerTime: 2009.06.11 08:00 Local Time: 2009.06.11 07:00
      Open: 0.8109 Stop Loss Size: 48 Initial Profit Size: 24
      Calculated stops without spread:
      Stop Loss: 0.8061
      Initial Profit: 0.8133

      All you have to do is to check ANY chart showing the pair. Be it Metatrader, be it broker web chart. You can be anywhere, free from your computer :-)

      Anyone interested let me know.
    • alx
      Hi Ernie. With v1.8 vertical line placement changed to the previous bar close. It may be a little bit confusing, but in fact it doesn't change anything as the signal is fired on TRANSITION from the previous close to the current open. If you don't feel comfortable with it, just move the line to the current bar and you'll find it old way.
      The v1.6 seems to be more profitable on longer runs. However, today I noticed many profitable 4 hrs signals on 1.8 while 1.6 sit silent. Moreover, I got daily signals on 1.8 that went quite well till London fix. When prices reversed it was only 1.8 on 4 hrs to trigger lots of very profitable reverse trades. 1.6 did nothing: neither daily longs, neither 4 hrs shorts.
      Frankly, it's very hard to backtest and compare both versions. The trend sense change made them completely different. I asked Dean about it and he said we should rather use 1.8 as it's better in finding good trade opportunities. And this is what it's all about: find the highest percentage entry point...
    • Ernie
      Hi, Marc. I would've emailed directly but I wanted to bring this to the attention of your readers as well, just in case...on v1.6, I was getting the entry alert on the *second* candle (ie Red, Red, Red, Green, *Green* Entry)...I understand that v1.8 is supposed to be more sensitive, but now I'm getting the entry signal on the candle immediately upon change (ie Red, Red, Red, *Green* Entry). Does anyone know for sure if this is an intentional change or an error in my files? V1.6 seemed to be more profitable on the second trend candle entry as it gave more time for the trend to develop for certain. Some pips may have been left behind by waiting until the second candle, but v1.6 seemed to give less fake signals. I've seen a lot of them this week and even switched over to the daily candles, but I'm still seeing LMT trades that didn't quite develop. Thanks!
    • jaimesierra
      Fake signals at 9:00pm on AUDJPY,EURJPY. older version better than 1.8V so far.
    • alx
      Preliminary backtesting shows the older version is more profitable on long trends while the newer gives more signals, however less profitable. And little more fakes.
      However, it's very hard to backtest it actually.
      I created an EA for this, however no EA is a human and cannot give good results. Just like two averages automated startegy does not perform well while manually traded can give very good results.
      BTW: the best performing strategy presented on Sunfire is based on moving averages ONLY! And disciplined approach...
    • alx
      Hi All, the new version seems to be more sensitive to trend moves.
      This would allow us more trade opportunities. But this also may trigger more fake signals.
      Currently markets are at crossroads. Many possibilities, no clear signals. So be careful.
    • jaimesierra
      Marc You right about being careful . A lot of erratic signals this morning eurusd,usdjpy,usdchf,usdcad, audusd. all went on the opossite direction. better wait and see .
    • alx
      If this was so simple...
      I mean it looks the rules are plain mechanical. Doesn't it?
      Yes. And No. You still have to use you brain to apply the rules.
      I don't mean breaking the rules but adjusting to the market conditions.
      I spot a trade on EURUSD flatten prematurely by strictly applied rules. 25 pips at most.
      But if managed it according to the market behavior, 250 pips at least.
      There is one general rule for trending market "Let your winners run".
      Easy to say, not that easy to do. Your detailed rules say "move to breakeven to eliminate risk" so you do when it comes. And you find stop triggered at the next pullback and then the price rocketed in the desired direction. But you were already out. There is no perfect solution. But sometimes it's just enough to take a look at a bigger picture to see you just need to give a little bit more room for your trade. Or be ready to re-enter when the market goes out of the tight spot.
      Trailing stop is very efficient on trending market. But if you start to trail too early you may get out too early as well.
      That's why automated strategies don't perform so well. A computer knows every single bit of your picture it stores. But it doesn't what the picture shows to you :-)
    • suresh
      hi marc
      I am checking ur normal setup, and i m wondering why u are using macd5,13,1 as well as stochastic set up . Can u explain a bit about this setups as well as how u use this when u are planning while checking through 4hr 1 hr and 15m setup.....think it will be helpful....whenever u have time..
    • Hi suresh. i used to use stochastics as an indicator for over bought oversold. i don't really use it anymore. The only thing i use macd for is divergence, but those settings are a bit experimental
    • jaimesierra
      it's key to combine your strategy with the system . that improve probabilities if your strategy is right . Great tips Marc. thnxs!!
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