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Potential 400+ Forex pips gbp Monday

by Marc on June 28, 2009

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The gbp/$ could present us with some very good trades on Monday, both with and without the LMT. Take a look at the 4 hour forex chart below. Notice how price has been trapped within a 400 pip range for the last few weeks. 400 pips @ $10 a pip will give you $4000 ! and is a months worth of pips if we can catch this move !

Price has failed to break the upper resistance line of 1.6600 since the 3rd of june (recent high). Price did actually “spike” through to 1.6620 on the 11th of June, but the candle closed back down below.  Price promptly fell back to 1.6200 which has acted as strong support 3 or 4 times.

Fig 1

Gbp/$ trending sideways on 4 hour forex chart

Gbp/$ trending sideways on 4 hour forex chart

Notice how the price at the last bounce back up returned up off the daily trend line which has been supporting price since april (diagonal yellow line). So how do we use this information to grab some of those pips ?

Lots of traders will be sat with orders placed to sell the pair at 1.6600 with a stop above 1.6625 (more conservative may go to 1.6670 recent 3rd june high). If you see that price is turning back down before there, look for reasons to support your theory, fibs, emas rolling over etc- as per the free lessons on the main site. This is not an LMT trade.

For lmt followers do not take a buy signal near to the top resistance line unless price breaks and closes above the 1.6600 resistance line.

However if price falls back to 1.6200/ daily trend line and we get an LMT trade. That would be great.

If price comes back down to the daily trend line (as I write this that would be the 1.6300 area), all of us need to look for reasons to buy with a stop either just the other side of the trend line (look for fibs/emas to help you decide) or more conservatively the other side of the 1.6200 strong support. 1.6180 is the recent low, so below that would be ultra conservative. Adjust your stake accordingly.

The other option is of course that price may break through (up or down). Do not be tempted to dive in. Wait for a candle to close. Often price will break through an area of strong support or resistance. Come back to that line and THEN continue the move. This is known as resistance becoming support or vice versa.

Fig 2

support_and_resistanceThis is the same 4 hour fx chart, just before the move shown in figure 1.

Working from the left, notice how price twice failed to break up through the 1.6200 line & the doji (indecision) candle.

The 6th candle finally breaks & closes above. The very next candle price comes back down and touches the line before continuing back up. That is a pullback. That is where we should enter. Resistance has now become support.

The 2nd arrow shows how price comes back down to this area and  (line is still continuing as support) price bounces back up again. Then we have a red candle that comes down and pierces (but doesn’t close). Finally a candle closes below the line. The next green candle comes back up and touches the line (pullback entry). The support line is now acting as resistance.

This is all basic forex chart tactics. Support and resistance are main areas to look for price to react. The secret is to plan ahead. Be sat waiting, like a bear waiting for a salmon, at just the place you know something is likely to happen.

Hope this helps. Get in the habit of looking in detail at the charts, the week-end is a great time, when the markets are closed, to just sit and go through the different time frames.

Other pairs in brief: I have started to ignore the market open and wait for price to settle. The aud gapped down for the last 2 weeks. 

The euro/$ is coming up to a strong resistance area on the 4 hour chart at 1.4115. The last three or four,  4 hour candles are reversal/indecision. The LMT rightly has the pair in an uptrend, but I will not go long so near to that price. Wait and see how the market opens. Pullback likely. Then look for reasons to long.

Chf/$ has broken 50% fib on 4 hour chart. Could be on way back down as per long term trend. Be careful around fib lines.

Jpy/$ Potential double bottom at 94.86 area.

Take a look at the other pairs. Learn to look for clues yourself. Lots of them are at double top/bottoms/support resistance lines.

Having said all of the above, alex sent me a staement from last week. If you had just taken all the LMT signals, you would have made good pips. 73% wins to 27% losses in difficult markets is a hell of an achievement for a semi automated system.

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    • alx
      Don't worry Rich,
      you're lucky - lock your profits :-)
      Everybody makes mistakes. Sometimes so simple like buying instead of selling. The most important is to take lessons form mistakes. Guess how I did my daily timetable? It costed me a lot of my own money and stress when I saw my winners turned to losers while I had no idea how&why...
      Once I realized these the daily cycles devastating my account, it was just a matter of net search to consolidate various information in a simple table. All the information is here. All free. All you have to do is to reach for it...
    • Rich
      marc & alx,

      yeah, that's me--making mistakes cuz it was my first H4 trade. LUCKILY, i made $55 on the deal, but it won't happen again! The sting of failure decreases when you learn the lesson, right?
      I'm loving your blog and all the posts--thank you so much!
    • alx
      Hmm, again I have a sell recommendation on GBPUSD from a good weekly service. Last week it didn't work. However, there was a warning about short uptrend before move downside. Instead we had a range/triangle consolidation which looks like breaking down on 4 hrs.
      I guess it's the time, the consolidation last too long now. People are tired. They'll finally do something. This or that way. We'll see.
      Anyway, the other system says Pound is overbought against USD for too long to hold. It means short signals seem to be more reliable than longs.
    • HI alex. I have the same feeling about the gbp going down as per my analysis/lmt update posted last night. As you say the consolidation has gone on too long now. The difficulty is deciding between the longer/short term charts. On the 4 hour I have it looking like a buy may be forming NOW around 1.6300 ! Longer term looks short. Depends what happens around 1.6200 area. Have to wait and see. Marc
    • alx
      Broke down on strong move. Too late to get it - it already did 190 today. No chasing trades. Have to wait for good sell signal after pullback. Maybe today afternoon, but I guess it would be rather tomorrow morning...
    • alx
      And gave back EVERYTHING it did since morning! The daily Top-Bottom was over 230 pips but Open-Close ~ 60 pips.
      Marc - this beast is giving me pain! I'm trying to tune up but most of the times I find myself chasing ghosts. Either not right moment, either the price run out. Break out turns into fake out, pullback into reversal... How can I handle it?
    • alx
      Hi Aris,
      Admiral Markets GMT (+1 now),
      Alpari GMT+1 (+2 now),
      Forex Meta GMT+2 (+3 now).
      They produce signals in reverse order.
      Hint: until markets work out new trends on daily, I ignore any signal generated between 17:00 GMT an 06:00 GMT next day.
      On Friday I don't take trades after 11:00 GMT and quit all open trades the latest 16:00 GMT.

      ALX
    • Rich
      MT4 question...

      I took a H4 trade on eurusd Friday, set my Take Profit and went for a bike ride with the kids. When I checked later, of course markets were closed, but even though the LOW for the day was 10 pips BELOW my TP, the trade was still OPEN. Anyone know why this happened? Should I leave the trade open? Thank you.

      Thanks, and HappY 4th to the US readers!
    • alx
      One more, very particular issue about after-weekend trading:
      On Monday morning Wellington, then Sidney (2 hrs after) are the first to trade. This is mostly unnoticed as most of brokers start data feed with Japan open (~ 23:00 GMT). Usually New Zealand and Australia produce the gap Marc referred about 25-35 pips eurusd. Usually in the opposite direction to the Friday evening price action (especially if Friday favored safe haven currecnies - somehow the folks on antipodes are much more optimistic than the rest of the world :-) ).
      And usually this gap is closed by the time Nikkei opens.
      Of course it's not a rule of thumb - I stress the word "usually".
      Now, depending on your position you can play it to get better exit price: if you find profit on the first 5 min candle close on Sunday, you better take it as it is. If you find losing trade by that time, you would first reduce risk by moving the Stop Loss as close as reasonable to the current price, then wait for Japan stock market to open to get out at better price if possible. But don't wait too long. 7 times out of 10 there is a significant reversal during the Asia session. I would not wait longer than 02:00 GMT.
    • ARIS KARATZAS
      alex hi,

      which are the 3 platforms you use in order to receive signals?

      I have installed lmt to forexmeta and alpari as Marc suggests.

      Thank you in advance.

      Aris
    • alx
      Hi Rich,
      this Friday was very special - US closed, Europe also took free time. Very low volume and liquidity. Under this conditions it may happen you'll find price spike penetrating your stop on your chart while your trade still open just because this particular price level wasn't on your contract.
      In general everybody thinks Forex prices are universal. They ARE NOT. Every broker has his own customers and order list to manage. It does it on FIFO rule. If he has 80 EURUSD contracts filled every minute, you'll see the your orders&stops executed as if realtime. But this Friday there were long minutes without ANY contract. Besides, is your live account broker the same as the MT4 broker?
      BTW: how did you get Short on EURUSD? In general it wasn't bad idea, but the timing and liquidity... EURUSD did ~60 pips Top-Bottom during Europe&US session v.s typical 130-180. Nobody can guess what can happen to the pair during Asia Monday session. I would close it as soon as possible regardless on profit/loss. If you're on profit side, you won anyway. If on loss side, I believe the loss is very limited.
    • Hi rich. Good thing about your post is that your priorities are right regarding placing a trade and going off and enjoying yourself. Too many of us spend far too much time watching the damn things.
      The bad thing is that you should not have taken the trade.
      Deans rules and my advanced specifically say do not take trades late on a friday. Personally I do not trade the New york session friday. I also advised my followers to avoid friday as most traders were away for the day and the markets were likely to be thin and go sideways.
      As to if your trade is still open or not, I don't know why. You probaly wont be able to close it anyway. But its very risky to leave a trade open over the weekend without a big cushion of pips as the market can gap down and miss your stop, marc
    • sandra
      the only problem is that it is not so sure that eur/usd is going up now...
      oh dear! still hoping. I got a couple of signals last night which i traded (should have rather slept because they hit the stop loss instead of the target : daily usd/cad & chf)
    • alx
      Sandra, you need to change you approach when trading LMT.
      The first and most important rule is the STATISTICS - the system is over 80% right. Are you 80% right? I can be 50% at most ... Don't argue with it. Either follow, either trash it, but DON'T try to "make things better".
      The system seems to be week on Risk Reward ratio. This was my first NONO against it. E.g. is says you can get 30 but risk 50. But when you seriously take the first rule into account, it's 30*80% and 50*20% = 24/10 - this is more than 2:1 RR which is hard to achieve on Forex. If you follow the money management and other simple rules, you cannot loose in longer time. Single loses will be limited and covered by profits. Unless you break the rules. Please keep in mind - if you break them, you'll need a lot of time, money and hard work just to get back to the beginning. Follow the rules even if you dislike them or see another "great" opportunity!
      We work on the rules, some well known techniques and tricks can be applied but we DON'T break the basics, just add to the rule set.
    • Gally
      'you cannot lose in longer time' is a big claim Alex!

      I know you're looking at back-testing, but are you keeping running stats of the win/loss and %age hitting the fib-derived second target? Would be interesting. Apologies if I've asked this before...
    • hi sandra, you have to learn to rely on the signals. i caught the euro one you mentioned & it moved 100+ pips !
    • sandra
      i got a signal for nzd/usd -- which correlates well with eur-usd so it should go up well, but i'm wary because of the news volatility... (I closed all of my eur/usd by mistake)
      sandra
    • Hi sandra. I advised on twitter to move all stops close because of the news to which you refer. I also closed half of the aud/yen trades as i didnt like the look of it. It went on to win ! sods law. You did the right thing though, big news is very risky. The mentality is "if in doubt, stay out", marc
    • Gally
      Ha, just noticed the timezone you're working in Kevin; waiting wouldn't exactly work would it, unless you got up in the middle of the night...I tend to take FM signals cos, for some reason I trust them more. Also formation of candles is important (again YMMV), and might be different on different platforms to guide you
    • Gally
      Kevin, sometimes (fairly often) the price doesn't change that much overnight (UK time), so you can still take in the morning. Often it will dip so you get a better price.

      Anyway, having missed Monday's fun, I'm back in this morning, so everyone else should stay out. Its going to be a bad day.
    • Brett
      I have been using gft for trading and learning on just one pair gbp/jpy. for about 4 months now. I set up the lmt system today and set up the charts for a few different pairs. do you have some other pairs that you would recomend. thank you
    • hi brett. welcome to the club ! I always recommend that people should learn/specialise in 1 or 2 pairs when thay are learning forex, but gbp/yen, wow you must have a strong stomach ! Gbp/yen is highly volatile and with a large spread. I would never recommend it for newbies. You should find the rest easy after this. There are 10/11 pairs that the lmt is recommended for, take a look in Deans book for the list. You need to be looking at trading all of them to maximise your gains.(Alx had 800+ pips on monday in 1 day trading loads of different lmt pairs) ! However, read my advanced rules in the welcome email that you have just received when you joined lmt. Amongst other things it explains which pairs not to take at the same time and how to get the most out of the system. There are also lots of articles on here, showing examples of trades etc
    • Kevin
      Hi Marc and everyone else...

      This is a question about LMT Daily trading not 4 hour. I am trading live with IBFX which gets the Daily Signal at 8:00 pm EST (GMT-5) and have Demo accounts with Alpari Europe (GMT +1) I think, and Forex Meta (GMT+2) I think.

      So... I get Daily trade signals from Alpari first at 5:00 pm EST, then Forex Meta at 6:00 pm, then IBFX at 8:00 pm.

      Here's my question: Should I always take the very first (earliest) daily trade signal...or is it better to wait and see if it comes up later on another platform?

      It seems like with Daily's the earlier the better, but if I only traded with IBFX it seems like I would be getting into the trade too late. Or does it even out in the end? Hope that's not too confusing!

      Kevin
    • Hi kevin, re your question for 3 different platforms/signals. With the daily, dont forget that there are also 4 hour signals at the same time. In june there was a day when there were no daily signals, BUT there were 4 hour ones at the same time (ie close of the daily candle). Re when is best to get in. On the 4 hour i find it best to get in at the 1st chance I get. On the daily however there is often a pullback before price heads off in the direction we are hoping for. The problem is that there are fewer signals on the daily and there is a chance that if you hesitate you may miss it (although the results can be incredible- i had a 1200 pip gain late may on the daily gbp, unfortunately on a demo)
    • alx
      Hi Marc, this a nice example how science and experience cannot force market do to the "right" things. You expected the setup on Monday and everything seemed to work this way but the pair just ignored the range and went up. But on Tuesday it did exactly what you'd expected for Monday. With exception it first did quite impressive fake breakout before sliding down to 1.6428... Anyway over 300 pips.
    • Kevin
      alx,

      I got the same thing... took the short trade at just over 1.6600 and set stop at 80, lost that but saw it on the way back down and was able to recoup initial loss. Of course, this wasn't a LMT trade so learned a lot from that. I normally would not chase a trade back down, but it just "felt" right.

      Kevin
    • Rich
      New to your blog, Marc. Good stuff! Really liked the triathlon story.

      Money management question: You indicated you never risk more than 2.5% per trade, but how many trades do you allow yourself to have open at any one time?
      Thanks!
    • Hi rich. limit myself to 2.5% per currency or correlated pair. so if i am long euro/$, wouldn't short $/chf (its almost same bet). also need to be careful taking too many on one currency at once. i'm a bit flexible. Yesterday 3 lmt signals all arrived same time: euro/$, euro/yen & euro/cad. i took 2. they all won, but had some bad euro news come out could have lost all 3 = 7.5% of my bank.
    • Rich
      Were these on the 4 hour charts? I haven't traded those yet. Otherwise, I didn't get any signals, AND I have 2 MT4 platforms running from 2 diff. brokers. They haven't always matched, but I have never missed out on more than one signal.
      Overall, has the win% on the 4hr been equal to the daily?

      Also, THANKS so much for posting your forex mistakes. I have only been trading live for one month, got hammered last week by making several mistakes at the same time. Good to know I am not alone!
    • alx
      Rich, I would point you to the Marc posts about successful trading and money management. You'll find answers there.
      http://forex-fxtrader.com/blog/how-to-become-a-...
      http://forex-fxtrader.com/blog/forex-money-mana...
      I can only tell you I don't have to worry for overtrading as I did very simple thing: when I selected my risk capital 10% of the total, I put only the 10% to the trading account and keep the rest in a save place. Therefore I only care about number of trades I can take. I simply cannot trade over my margin.
      And i did not quit my job yet. I don't even think about it. Maybe in two-three years...
    • Kevin
      Rich,

      To answer your question about checking the trend to see if it matches, just switch from 4h to Daily or vice verse, and you will see if they are both "Up" or "Down"... however, you will lose the signal line that shows where you should enter, so if you like to keep track of that, just insert a new vertical line in the same place. for the same time frame. You can also check on you other trading account, but if the marketwatch hours are different, the trend may not match.

      The other thing with the 4hours is that you should look for any upcoming economic news that may affect open trades, you can go to the Forex Factory Calendar and check every day to see what's happening, sometimes if a High Impact (red) event is coming up, you may want to either 1. take profit 30 minutes beforehand, 2. move your stop a little to (hopefully) absorb any news that goes against your trade, 3.. Wait 30 minutes+ until after the news before entering a new trade (if it's still feasible). Sometimes though, the news will go your way, and you can make good profits from it. For example, Thursday the US$ "Non-Farm Payroll/Employment" and "unemployment Claims" come out at 8:30 am, good time to be very careful and watch open USD trades carefully. I'm not like an expert on this, but I do know that it pays to do your homework. Checking the Economic calendar for 4hour trades should be #6 on Dean's "Rules"

      Kevin

      P.S. "Mistakes" are ok as loNg as you LEARN FROM THEM!!!
      "Learned the hard way in Louisville" : )
    • alx
      Rich, yesterday I had only one D1 signal and about 28 4 hrs (ok. I have three terminals, divide by 3). The daily signal did the profit, but it took it the whole day. Ok. it hit 119 pips, but...
      meanwhile, all 4 hrs signals hit at least initial target 30 pips on average, most of them ~50 pips and some over 80. Moreover, some of them did it so quickly I could use profits to take next signals...
      Yesterday it was a flood of 4 hrs signals, I just could not catch them all. I took "only" 21 trades.
      In total 869 pips including the 119 from the single daily. Now you have your answer: without 4 hrs I would do only 119, with the 4 hrs I did 869 and I believe or not, I could do at least 1200 if I had enough cash free...
      And only today I got 2 USDCAD signals in a troubled market. Both hit initial targets. I didn't expect ANY profit today...
    • Rich
      alx,

      OK that helps a lot! Not sure why I didn't get any D1, but good news on the H4 charts--holy cow!
      By 3 terminals, do you mean 3 diff. brokers?
      Are you doing that to catch more trades?
      Are you tracking win/loss %?
      On the H4, do you follow the manual and make sure the trend is the same direction as the D1?
      With all of these trades, how much risk are you taking at one time, what % of risk is open at any one time?
      What is your $/pip ratio?
      Have you quit your job yet? ;-)

      Sorry for all the questions, but you are helping a lot! Thanks.
    • Khalif
      Hey marc!
      Bought the LMT Formula..just started on the demo account and so far so good. Just was wondering when you receive your signals do you always get a pop up with a white screen with the pair containing the signal or do you have to scan through each pair to see which one has a signal. As of now I've gotten signals from a white pop up box and by scanning. Should I always get a signal from the white pop up box?
    • hi khalif. good time to join. yesterday was an awesome day. 17 signals off 2 platforms. took 7 all won for 200+ pips in a day. re signals: you should get a pop up box and a green or red line through the candle that has just closed and given the signal. I manually check as well. make sure that the smiley face is on in the top right hand corner of the screen - if its not, click "expert advisers" button on top of metatrader screen.
    • Khalif
      Thanks..is there a way to get signals sent to your email?
    • Rich
      khalif,

      re: email alerts...
      Right click on chart, expert advisors, properties, inputs; change enablealertemail from false to true. Need to do this w/ every chart.
    • alx
      In other words: GBPUSD range is 1.62 bottom, 1.66 top. There is a chop zone inside the range between 1.6352 and 1.6445. Sideways trading has two options: you either sell Top/buy Bottom, either look for a breakout.
      If you're to sell the Top, you should take it as close to 1.66 as possible and exit close to the chop zone 1.6445, 160 pips. And since the prices are also confined in a triangle with a bottom line about 1.63, we may extend the exit to this level, but first lock profits by moving SL to ~1.6460-70 once inside the chop zone.
      And then expect a bounce up from the triangle bottom line to the chop zone (another over 100 pips) before new move down...
      Moreover - if the price breaks down from Asia session range on Monday morning (In Europe), we may expect big moves as GBPUSD daily ATR is 250 pips and we have UK consumer readout at 08:30 GMT and UK GDP on Tuesday.
      And the last but not least: my daily cycle analysis shows USD is in favor for most of the crosses for the next week.
      Did I get it right?
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